Ugly Info

Here’s a compendium of the advice I’ve given based on advice I’ve received and my own learning experiences. Note that I’m based in the continental USA, so much of the below won’t help you furriners…

Finding a Source​

The best advice I can give you is to find a good forum and do your research. I recommend these forums, and will reference threads in them throughout this pastebin.

• MesoRX - the most harm reduction focused, with probably the harshest source vetting. The vibe there can seem rough, but the content is good.

There are some others I’ve run across that might be helpful, but I can’t say much else.

• Professional Muscle

My Source Recommendations​

USA Domestic Sources​

If you’re in the USA, I have had pretty good experience with the following domestic uglies as of 2025-11:

1. Primal Pharma
2. Arail Pharma
3. Defiant Pharma
4. Azteca Gold
5. Synergy Forge
6. Kits4Less
7. BuyOptiHGH

Most of these are small operations. They can get overwhelmed, or make mistakes, or do a bunch of other human stuff. They’re taking most of the risk in this transaction, so please don’t be jerks to them. They’ll usually fix any mistake at their expense if you treat them with courtesy.

Chinese Vendors w/US Warehouses​

The cheapest options are Chinese based vendors with USA based warehouses, but you can’t be as sure as to the contents or provenance of their products. I’ve been satisfied so far, and the products I’ve tested have shown the proper APIs at expected concentrations. Oils may contain ethyl oleate, for example. Injectable orals may contain guaiacol.

• WWB also has a warehouse in China that is slightly cheaper and has more things in stock
• GGB

They both ship very fast by FedEx. Contact them via WhatsApp for best response.

Please don’t google vendor names to find their websites. Look them up in the above forums to find their individual contact info. Many don’t have websites, and website names can change over time due to domain names getting yanked. If you find a website in Google, it’s very likely a scammer. Synergy Forge has 3-4 scammer websites last I looked, and 0 legitimate websites.

Name Brand Sources​

Most of the vendors above ship products they make in-house, not “name brands”. I haven’t noticed a big difference in product quality between them, though name brands packaging is usually much slicker and more professional looking.

Retailers​

I’ve used some of the large multi-brand retailers with okay results. They’re more expensive, and slower, but sometimes they’re the only place with exactly what you want. Also good choices for people outside the US.

• OSgear.se
• Domestic Supply USA - The most expensive source listed here by far, but ships very quickly.

Some pro tips​

• The best vendors test their raws before brewing, then test the finished brew, and make those test COAs available to you. Janoshik is the gold standard for AAS and peptide testing.
• The best vendors tell you what oils and solvents they use. I prefer MCT oil, but GSO is fine if you don’t need longer term storage. I avoid Ethyl Oleate when I can, and I will never put guaiacol in my body again.
• It’s great to see COAs from vendors, but if you 100% need to know what’s going into your body, test it yourself with Janoshik. Doing this via a group buy is a good way to reduce the cost.
• If you want to be extra careful (I do), run every vial through a 0.22um PTFE hydrophobic syringe filter (13mm or 25mm diameter) into a sterile empty vial to remove particulates and bacteria. Look at the forums for guides on filtering.
• When you receive your pack, take a video of yourself opening it in such a way that a skeptical viewer would be convinced about what it did and did not contain. If something is missing or incorrect, this is the best evidence to provide the source. Without it, they’re rightfully suspicious of somebody trying to con them. It happens all the time so don’t be offended. The only thing you really know about each other is that you’re both willing to break the law.
• Not really a sourcing question, but please avoid high concentration products. High concentration products are just guaranteed PIP for a lot of people; maybe even a trip to the ER.
• Store your oils upright, in a dark, cool place, with the contents not touching the stopper. The solvents in oils are unkind to rubber and silicone.
• If you store in a cold place, the active pharmaceutical ingredient may come out of solution in crystalline form, aka “crash”. Usually you can just heat up the vial to fix this. A $15 coffee cup warmer does this job well.
• I label everything I receive using a $20 NIIMBOT D110 Bluetooth label maker. Contents, concentration, source, date of acquisition, batch info (if available). You can transfer those labels to your empty vials after filtering, too.